03 May 2006

Tips for finding the best pages to get links from.

I was giving some training to my link team yesterday and I gave them a very nice tip…..I’ve been debating on weather or not to publish (publically) this technique, or save it for my next speaking gig (and give it away then)….or to just keep this technique to my own team…..but hey, we’re all friends right? Here’s a cool link building tip for my readers.

So you want a link from Someones Site A to Your Site B 
What page on Site A do you want your link from
….that is the question.

….here is my answer.

I like getting links from sub pages of other sites….maybe even more than getting a link from someones homepage. My feeling is that most links to other sites (off of someones homepage) is going to be an "ad" and not counted as much as link within content, from a content page of a site, linking to an inner page of one of my clients sites (Read the page that link links to for some info on that whole philosophy).

So if you’re approaching site A for a backlink to your site B, how do you decide which page from Site A you should be asking for a link from (what page on their site will pass the most value to you?).

There’s 2 main types of pages I’d seek.

The first type I’d find by asking, "What Page on their site is most relevant to the page on my site I’m seeking a link to".

Here’s how I’d find that: I’d go to google and search [site:theirsite.com keyword phrase] to find the most relevant page. Relevance is a big factor. If I sell Green Widgets, and they’ve got a specific page on Green widgets, that would be a great page to get a link from.

The Second type of page I’d seek is the one with the most "power"…call it "backlinks", call it "trust rank", call it "quality indicators"….all of those.

Here’s how I’d find any websites most powerful inner page.

I’d go to Yahoo and search [site:theirsite.com]

The nice thing about Yahoo is that they tend to list pages in order of importance. Same goes for a "linkdomain" search in Yahoo (the best backlinks tend to be towards the top of results). This hold true for a "Site:" search with Yahoo. The best "internal pages" tend to be listed first.

These "best internal pages" tend to be the pages that have the most external backlinks to those pages.

Let me show you an example of this. One of my link team members was seeking an ad for a "music" client of our from another music site. She showed me the nice relevant page that she was seeking this advertisement from, and I ran a site:theirsite.com search in Yahoo and found that the most powerful page of the site (even more powerful than the homepage) was a subpage about a competition that this company held in early 2005. Since this was the first page listed in the "site:" search, I decided to dive a bit deeper and I went back to Yahoo and did a search for [link:http://theirsite.com/contest.html] and found that that page had a lot of backlinks from other sites (including 4 .edu’s!).  So we ended up writing to the guy saying we wanted our ad on 2 pages of his site….the nice relevant page, and also the contest page of 2005 as a kinda "throw in". The guy went for it and we got the best of both worlds, the most relevant, and the most powerful subpage of the site.

Funny thing was, the next site my link member was working out a deal on was another music site that again, after we did the "site:" search, we found that they too had a content in 2005 that was thier second most powerful page next to the homepage….same deal as above…we got the original ad on the asking page, and as an added bonus, they threw in the same ad on thier old "contest" page.

So to recap….in asking for links from a site…pass on the homepage (too expensive, and near impossible to get it worked into the content of the homepage) – aim for the "most relevant page" (google [site:theirsite.com keyword keyword]) and also aim for the "most trusted, powerful page" via searching Yahoo for [site:theirsite.com] and let yahoo sort them by importance.

More: This is stuff that you have to do by hand (forget automating link building, keep it under the radar, and of course you don’t want links on "link pages", and you want your ads to be within content, and if you can slip in some good co citation, even better.

What are your thoughts?

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[tags]google, yahoo, link building, links, seo, sem, search engine optimization, internet marketing, search engine marketing[/tags]

Comments

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    Jim, this is gold! I will be posting on a related topic this weekend and will definitely link to it… I’ve been linking to your site a lot lately!

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  4. sjachille May 5, 2006 at 4:35 PM

    Hello Jim,
    I found your post very interesting and I beilive fits in with what I posted a few days ago about linking and relevance. I believe the discussion is worth bring to the attention of the community as there are rather different views on the value of linking. I have had very positive results and relate very well with what you are saying.

    I believe our users would be interested in knowing more about linking and how to go about it. I have a few posts and a link to a post that says just the opposte on my blog at:

    http://www.achille.name/index.php?option=com_jd-wp&itemid=26&cat=4

    I hope this helps and would love to hear from you !!

    Sante

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  8. kapsat May 10, 2006 at 5:34 PM

    Jim, Nice reading…thanks for the great infomation. However, my first thought after reading this post was.

    What is the tipical fee paid for this type of advertizing. I know it does depend on the site, but what are some good guidlines.

    Hope you don’t mind answering this.

    Again,thanks for the blog…I have you in my live bookmarks for daily reading!

  9. Jim May 10, 2006 at 5:36 PM

    Fees can range from Free….to $5 to $1000….sometimes that’s a one time fee…sometimes that’s a yearly fee…sometimes that’s a monthly fee.

    The trick is to buy as much value for what you’re willing to spend.

  10. kapsat May 10, 2006 at 6:13 PM

    thanks Jim

  11. kapsat May 15, 2006 at 12:38 PM

    Jim, Another question!

    When placing your ad (Content) on someones web page, do you have a minimum amount of words that you need.

    For example: Say i have found a pge that has has links form other sites and seems like a good pick to do the content advertising.

    Should i have a minimum of 20, 30, 50 … words in my ad for it to be most effective. I’m sure the more the better, but I would also assume 10 words wold not be any better than just a link. Or am i over analizing this whole thing.:)

  12. bronc May 18, 2006 at 5:44 AM

    just for the record zeal has been taken down. is there a similar alternative?

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  14. Idan May 30, 2007 at 5:56 AM

    I did it on rnk1.com and it wokred great , thnkx, great article

  15. Kathiroly Raj July 15, 2007 at 6:25 PM

    I was just thinking about this and search for ‘how to find the best pages to comment’ and got to this wonderful post. Thanks for the tips. I just stumbled this :)

  16. Alfred Jones September 10, 2007 at 5:47 AM

    i do agree with you jim.. Its such a wonderful and effective search to do in yahoo and google search engines to find out the quality internal page to get back links. Its really useful tip for finding internal pages to link too. I am sure this definetly increases the website pr and traffic..

  17. Alex October 22, 2007 at 7:56 AM

    Hello Jim,

    Too bad you are booked, as I wanted to use your services to find good links for few domains. Could you recommend someone, who you recognize as professional?

    I have also a question: If I will buy content link (in-text) does it mean that hyperlinked text should contain keywords I seek high ranking for? It is hard in my situation since my keywords are very niche (name of a person) and there is no such word in texts on other web pages. What to do then?

    Cheers!
    Alex

  18. sergey November 3, 2007 at 8:16 AM

    Thanks Jim! Very useful information for me.

  19. Fumi December 13, 2007 at 1:19 PM

    Kick ass link building technique, thank you!!

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